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Post by Kilikopela on Apr 24, 2008 22:19:36 GMT -5
The current government is not effective. I think we should reform it. I believe a Constitutional Convention is in order.
Thank You and Humbly,
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Post by lashrash on Apr 25, 2008 1:21:17 GMT -5
WHAT!
What is not working about it? All the measures are there to make it work, the issue we have is inactivity. What we need to do is hold an activity drive, and get us back on our feet. Having a convention every time we hit a road block is not the answer.
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Post by Brian O'Gara on Apr 26, 2008 16:11:45 GMT -5
WHAT! What is not working about it? All the measures are there to make it work, the issue we have is inactivity. What we need to do is hold an activity drive, and get us back on our feet. Having a convention every time we hit a road block is not the answer. Agreed |
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Post by Kilikopela on Apr 26, 2008 18:08:48 GMT -5
You can both think what you want but when the leadership of this government do not listen to the voice of the people then we have serious problems.
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Post by Brian O'Gara on Apr 27, 2008 13:35:22 GMT -5
I just don't understand what purpose it would serve.
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Post by lashrash on Apr 27, 2008 13:54:44 GMT -5
You can both think what you want but when the leadership of this government do not listen to the voice of the people then we have serious problems. Person. Not people. When we have had these in the past it has been to correct serious errors or to recover from a national disaster (how many so far?). We need to be active. When the majority speaks out then this will be valid until then, it is just you. |
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Post by Mo'i Kakali on Apr 27, 2008 16:35:17 GMT -5
You can both think what you want but when the leadership of this government do not listen to the voice of the people then we have serious problems. Person. Not people. When we have had these in the past it has been to correct serious errors or to recover from a national disaster (how many so far?). We need to be active. When the majority speaks out then this will be valid until then, it is just you. I do think it needs to be pointed out that we don't end up having the tyranny of the majority, where the minority is completely ignored. such action is dangerous and can lead to severe problems. while i don't think a convention is in place, I would love to see a list of specific issues Representatvie Kilikopella thinks we should address. |
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Post by Kilikopela on Apr 27, 2008 20:04:11 GMT -5
While I dont' personally want to go through yet another constitutional convention, I do think that change is needed. The majority or simply the MOS has to much power, whether constitutional or implied. The MOS should not be able to lock threads as he pleases and he should not be able to make up rules as he pleases.
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Post by lashrash on Apr 28, 2008 9:09:51 GMT -5
While I dont' personally want to go through yet another constitutional convention, I do think that change is needed. The majority or simply the MOS has to much power, whether constitutional or implied. The MOS should not be able to lock threads as he pleases and he should not be able to make up rules as he pleases. That is the only issue that you have? Then no convention is needed at all. Please draw up a bill, and motion to take it to parliament. As a member of parliaments, you can change the constitution with the help of the other delegates. I hope this helps! |
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Post by Mo'i Kakali on Apr 28, 2008 11:16:52 GMT -5
yes. Parliament has full authority to change the constitution.
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Post by Kilikopela on Apr 28, 2008 22:07:39 GMT -5
I am fully aware of that yet the current leadership has decided that we must all play by his rules or you can just get over it. There is no sense of fairness and it doesn't seem like the attitude is changing.
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Post by lashrash on Apr 28, 2008 23:58:12 GMT -5
Please by all means draw up a bill. I will not stifle it in any way, so long as it does not violate any laws or citizens rights.
I am more than happy to see exactly what it is that you want the MoS to do. I do urge that you remember that you could one day hold this office, so do not constrict too much, as it could be yourself in this place in the future.
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Post by Mo'i Kakali on Apr 29, 2008 10:55:19 GMT -5
acctually, YOU don't have the right to stifle a bill, period. the other members of parliament may do so by refusing to second a motion to discuss/vote, but you can't, regardless of your personal opinions.
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Post by Kilikopela on Apr 30, 2008 17:26:08 GMT -5
That is what I have been trying to get accross. The MOS thinks he has free range to do what he wishes and that is the whole point I was trying to make with this thread.
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Post by lashrash on Apr 30, 2008 23:20:57 GMT -5
That is what I have been trying to get across. The MOS thinks he has free range to do what he wishes and that is the whole point I was trying to make with this thread. I would like to point out that I am head of Parliament. Also, I have not once stifled any one, I have argued and stated my opinion, but never have I over stepped my bounds. I have enforced the law as it is. As head of this legislation, I have instituted rules to develop and maintain order. The only thing I am guilty of is ensuring the development and forward motion of our nation. This "Anything I want to do" you speak of mainly is me telling you to be civil and polite to the other delegates. Its me telling you that rather than dismissing issues, to be rewritten and dealt with later, I kept us on track to deal with it the first time around. What have I done that is so wrong? Can you explain that? I hate it when you say that I do whatever I want, but you never name anything specific. Can you go into detail? The previous mentioned about locking forums is not merited, I lock the thread in the public forum when it goes to parliament, then I locked it when it goes to vote. Then I lock the vote and archive it once the king signs or vetoes the bill. Also, the aforementioned making up of rules, I made a short list and have not added to them. Here is the list, can you tell me which ones you feel are oppressive and why? - Every person who is given access is allowed to speak on all matters.
- No delegate may silence another, all opinions are welcome
- Opinions may not be demeaning, rude, or discourteous, we all have a position of respect, and should be treated as such
- All discussions are private until voted upon, once the voting is over it will be made public in the parliament archive
- In order to vote a motion must have a second and been discussed for at least 48 hours.
- Any delegate may delay a vote once, at the approval of the Minister of State
- They must appeal to the Minister of State, less than 24 hours after a second is made
- Upon being granted a delay, the discussion will be extended for not less than 24 hours and not more than 1 week
- No motion to vote may be made until after the extended discussion period has expired
- The Minister of State may extend any discussion period, with reason, for not less than three days and not more than two weeks.
- Anyone found to violate these will be fined MK300 and banned for a period not less than two days and not more than nine days, as determined by the supreme court.
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