Papelism

[Mo'i Kakali]

Ladies and Gentlemen of this assembly, I would like to ask the delegates here to pass a law banning the practive of papelism (that is, the action of 1 person having multiple accounts on a forum and treating each account as a separate person).

[Kilikopela]

How are we going to be able to completely enforce that?

Thank You and Humbly,

[lashrash]

There are several ways. We can log the IP addresses, and narrow down which are local hot spots. The system already makes it to where a persons e-mail can't be used twice, and if two addresses can be proved to be related we can hold a trial.

I already have the most actively used IP for all the users, I also have the two most hot spots which are the Library and my personal network.

If we see that a new users has logged in using an existing IP, other than the library IP, but does not know any of us, we can assume that it is a fake and hold a trial.

It will take some "molding" but it can be done.

[Mo'i Kakali]

Yes. We need to make sure that we don't blatantly accuse before we have proof either. But it needs to be done. And the punishment should be nearly as severe as treason/ terrorism. In this hobby, papalism is an extremely foul offense for a member to commit.

[lashrash]

I was thinking first offense gets a three week ban, second and two month, and the third is permanent.

[Kilikopela]

I am not sure how effective we can be at this. There are several times where I log on to my account through another member's IP. I am not in favor of papelism, but I do not think that I can support a law of this kind of extreme.

Thank You and Humbly,

[lashrash]

We would not ban on an IP only. Here is the scenario:

We identify the main hot spots, or locations where two or more members are logging in from. This would be the library and my house.

Next we catalog the ip addresses. This will be simple since the security log does this anyway. Each ip is then matched to a current user.

If we see that a new user is logged in under a current members address, we investigate.

If we can trace it back to a current member, the punishment is then carried out. This is not extreme, this is safe guarding balance.

Papelism would allow people to influence votes, population counts, and a skilled person, could take over a nation if they applied and ran all the government jobs.

[Kilikopela]

It still wouldn't work. I log into the system at my friends all the time. Since it is the same IP are you going to ban us both.

Thank You and Humbly,

[lashrash]

There are three criteria to ban with. The IP address is just one of them. We ban the other two, and we shut them down. We would only ban an IP if we knew that it was not an access point, but the others two options would still be banned as well.

[Kilikopela]

We can ban IP, Username and e-mail. That is not hard to get around. Make a new, free e-mail address, create a new username and don't log in at your house. School, library, or even Starbucks. It is not hard to get around it.

Thank You and Humbly,

[Mo'i Kakali]

no matter what we do, it's not going to be perfect, and their will be loopholls. But it needs to be done.

[Kilikopela]

I am not supporting Papelism, but I am simply stating that it will be very hard to convict someone of commiting the offense. If someone is committing papelism, then are we going to ban both accounts or delete one and ban the other or how is that going to work.

Thank You and Humbly,

[Owen Blake]

I have to agree with Mr. Kilikopela on this issue. It is going to prove very hard to stop someoen who is intent on papelism. They can easily just create a new account to get around the law.

[Rodhlann Pierce]

Not to play Devil's Advocate or anything, but at one point I actually had two accounts on the Hawaiian nation and no one ever noticed.

[lashrash]

I also need to point out, that New Hawaii did not last that long. It barely got out of the box before it was taken back to the store and Luthoria was brought home.

We were not monitoring it then. I however have been and will continue to monitor all people on this site.

[Kilikopela]

It is impossible for you to moniter all people. You cannot access the King's ip.

Thank You and Humbly,

[Mo'i Kakali]

acctually, (not sure), i think he can see my ip. not for sure though.

question: would it be easier to monitor for papels on the proposed invision free forum, Minister Clark?

[lashrash]

I can see all memers IP addresses, including the kings

Papelism would be much easier to monitor from the invisionfree site. I have already programmed it to not allow the same e-mail to register twice. Also, any admin can access the security log, as well as a couple of other features that allow tracking as well.

[Mo'i Kakali]

so, it sounds like if we were to switch, we could better monitor papelism, and then this proposed idea wouldn't be so hard to acheive. I propose that parliament pass a two part act, one part declaring papelism illegal and dealing with the details of enforcing it's illegal status, and another part declaring our move to the invisionfree site.

[lashrash]

Apr 23, 2008 7:58:35 GMT -5 Mo'i Kakali said:

so, it sounds like if we were to switch, we could better monitor papelism, and then this proposed idea wouldn't be so hard to acheive. I propose that parliament pass a two part act, one part declaring papelism illegal and dealing with the details of enforcing it's illegal status, and another part declaring our move to the invisionfree site.

I would like to ask the King to slow down. I am only part way done in creating the new site, which I completely re birthed.

I will let everyone know when I am done.